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From: Jen
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 7:57 AM
To: Heather Fetter
Cc: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re: [WCDL] newbie

Hi Heather,

I did the same thing a couple of days ago.  You're the first post I've
seen!  :-)  Maybe it would have helped if I had thrown out an intro e-mail
myself!

How long have you been riding?  Road or mtn?  Where are you from?

As for me, I'm into my third season of dedicated mountain biking.  And
suffering from a horrible case of new bike lust!! (I'm presently riding a
'99 GT XCR 3000 - great bike, but too too heavy- got my sights set on a
Titus Loco Moto sometime in the hopefully near future)

I'm in SE Massachusetts, right on the Rhode Island border - lots of really
great technical riding around here.  Anyone else on the list in the New
England area?

Jen Secor

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From: Angie 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 8:26 AM
To: Heather Fetter; JSecor@AtlanticCharter.com
Cc: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re: [WCDL] newbie

I also have bike lust!!!!!!

I am just heading off to do my first 24 hr race..SOLO!!! Canmore Ab Canada.

Anyone else doing any 24hr racing???

Love to hook up with youan dhear some stories...

Angie

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From: 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 8:28 AM
To: 
Cc: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re: [WCDL] newbie

WOW!  Solo 24 hrs???  That's awesome.  I'll be wishing you lots of luck!!
:-)  I definitely want to try a 24 hr race soon - just need to find some
teammates.  But I'm not very speedy, so I plan to enter the "cruiser"
class.  Most of my riding is technical terrain at a fairly moderate pace.
I bring my 3 1/2 year old black lab with me and he can go for miles and
miles, as long as the pace is reasonable with lots of water/rest breaks.

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From: Heather Fetter, 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 8:37 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: [WCDL] newbie

Hi Jen,
cool, there are people here!

I live in a suburb of Phoenix, Arizona, and just started competitive XC
mountain biking in January.  I love it.  I placed 5th in the State Series
this year, so it made the sport very rewarding.  The girl I ride with has
been encouraging me to get a rode bike and start rode riding with her, but I
am just not so sure I want to commit to the sport like that.  I really just
enjoy the rec idea.  Our ride season runs October - June, so I am taking a
break right now.

I saw a lot of your bike at the races this year.  I upgraded from a 31lb
Scwhinn hardtail to a 24.5lb Specialized Stumpjumper Pro FSR XC full
suspension.  I can't believe what a kush ride it is after jiggling my
kidneys out on the trail this Winter.  And I have no idea what components I
have, I am still learning the lingo.  Although I know the Titus is a local
factory bike, and a VERY awesome bike too.  My husband had one on demo and
loved it.  But he ended up with the Santa Cruz Superlight.

Do you have a training regimen? I'd be interested to share ideas and tips.

Heather

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From: Heather Fetter
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 8:40 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: [WCDL] newbie

Canmore?  Where are you from Angie?
I will be in or near Canmore July 31- Aug 3rd...

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From: Sammy
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:43 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com; 
Subject: [WCDL] Hello to you all .

Hi Everyone,

I have no idea when this discussion group will be or what the Topics are.
Or,
perhaps we have already started? It is too bad that it could not be live and
bit more personal involvement as it is on AOL. Surely, there must be a Web
Site Room and a time that we can participate in the discussion live instead
of just posting messages. Just a thought. I have seen other Bike discussions
(as I just described) mostly Men sometimes Boys. When the conversation gets
"stupid" or about "Women" I have been able to get some "crowd control" and
get back to the topic of MTB. Laughing, LOL but true. With my nickname being
"Sammy" for Samantha and because I do have the Technical knowledge they
listen to me. However, no one has asked they just assumed I was male because
of the name.  Anyway, it is nice to see a group of women forming. By the
way,
I also have "Bike Lust" since 1992, I'm afraid. So, I started building up
Frames for myself---- Roadie turned "Techno Weenie" for MTB.
And Angie, not to scare you, but be careful of the Bears in when you go to
Alberta. Good luck with your ride.
I am from the East Coast of the states, but now live in Canada. I love
Arizona and the New England area for riding. I have just started a photo
collection of my Bikes. My close friends refer to them as "Sammy's Porno
Pics". I currently Ride a K2 4000 RS that I built up myself and also a
Cannondale HardTail, without the Cannondale fork. I love the sport, and it
would be nice to meet some other women to ride with. However, I know I can't
count on that expecially all the way out here. Anyone from Canada here east
of Alberta?
Sammy

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From: 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:56 AM
To: Heather Fetter, Baha UCCI (BCI)
Cc: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re: [WCDL] newbie

I don't have any set training regimen.  I try to get out on my bike at
least 3-4 times a week for 2+ hours at a time, do some trail and/or road
runnig a few times a week, and when I can get there, work in a couple of
days of weight training at the gym.  As you can see, this makes for a full
schedule, so I don't get everything in all the time - I just shoot for
being active at least 5 days a week, with 1 or 2 rest days when needed to
avoid overtraining.  My ultimate goal is not to compete against anyone but
myself - I want to build my technical riding skills (I'd love to be able to
do wheelie drops!  hehehehe) and have a good base of fitness for endurance
activities.  Some of my specific goals are to do a 24 hr race, an adventure
race, and an ultra-trailrunning event.  But mostly, I just want to enjoy my
time outdoors!  And of course, enjoy a few cold Harpoons after doing
so...but that's a whole DIFFERENT topic!

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From: Leslie 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 2:29 PM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: [WCDL] another newbie

Hi girls,

Glad to see some posting.  Just found this website and
signed up a few days ago as well.  I just really
started riding on a regular basis this summer. I
signed up for the MS 150 and have been riding on
weekly training rides and just loving it.

Right now I'm riding an old mountain bike, but am
looking to buy a road bike.  Although, at this point,
I'm sure I can't get exactly what I want since my
price range is going to be %500 to $700.

I'm in Missouri, anyone else near?

Well, happy riding and nice to see all the posts.

Leslie

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From: Sammy
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 6:00 PM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: [WCDL] Re: Hello to you all .

Thanks Angie. Serious Bikes you have. I would love to do some trails with
you. I haven't done much since I moved here. Jen puts me to shame with her
training schedule. Where are you Angie? I missed that part of your message.
Oh, about the bears and the drunks. Yeah, I do agree you should steer far
away from those people. I just heard of 2 riders running in to one in
Alberta
last summer. One was mauled, but he was looking forward to recovering and
getting back on the bike. They seem to be hungrier here than they are in the
states. Ha Ha, but really I think so.
I just applied for a job in Alberta, I am waiting to hear something from
them.
Keep me posted.  No pun intented. i am still not sure how to work this
forum.

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From: Ninowtzka Mier 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 6:12 PM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: [WCDL] Hello out there!

Hi everyone,
I am so happy to know you guyys are actually out
there! I have been mountain biking for about 4 years
and I love it - especially now that I am on a sweet
Specialized FSR-XC Pro! I am in the Miami area and
believe it or not, we have some pretty good trails. If
anyone is in my neck of the woods, give me shout!

Keep riding,
Ninowtzka

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From: Heather Fetter 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 6:37 PM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re: [WCDL] Hello out there!

Hello, I think we are on the same ride, very cool - have you upgraded any
components?

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From: Heather Fetter
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 7:08 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: [WCDL] Hello out there!

I just upgraded my seat, I have the Specialized factory tires, but I think I
am running Panaracers now.  We ride in Arizona, and you?  I forget, did you
say Florida?

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From: Heather Fetter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 11:52 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: [WCDL] Hello out there!

I ride in and around Phoenix, AZ, what about you?

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From: Heather Fetter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 11:54 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: [WCDL] Re: In Arizona?

Kim,
I am in Gilbert, east of Phoenix, that sugar 3 sounds nice, too $$ for me.
My hubby
had me on the Sugar before he got my Specialized, to me, they are all decent
rides, better than
a trike :)

Do you ever ride up here?   Maybe we could meet at the Casa Grande
competitive track one weekend and mountain bike ride together?
Heather

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From: Kim Freeman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 6:50 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: [WCDL] New to New Jersey

I just moved to Northern New Jersey (Oradell) from Southern California via
Colorado.  A new job brought me here.  Am looking for women to either
mountain or road bike with; the traffic here is kind of scary so my
preference would be mountain.  I am a mellow rider, probably a 5 or 6 on a
scale of 1 to 10 skill level.  I think the closest park is Ringwood state
park, or I've seen a lot of cars with bike racks parked near Skyline drive.

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From: Heather Fetter
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:55 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: [WCDL] Arizona

Arizona is fantastic.  I have only rode here, Las Vegas and Big Bear in
California, and this is my favorite.  The trails are beautiful, the desert
is gorgeous in Spring when it blooms.

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From: Angie 
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:23 PM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re: [WCDL] Arizona

I would love to find women to ride with from all over....

We could get a huge emailing list with everyone's name on it if they wanted
to get involved and if anyone travels to that area we could have a friend to
ride with.....

I live in BC Canada.  Fernie Area.  I would love to show this area's trails
off..we have so many.

Would anyone be interested in starting a list???
Angie

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From: Kim Freeman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:06 PM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: [WCDL] Mountain Biking

Is anyone interested in a regular evening ride at Ringwood state park?

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From: Leslie 
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:09 PM
To: Angie; Heather Fetter, Baha UCCI (BCI);
womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re: [WCDL] Arizona

Angie,

I'm here in St. Louis MO and would love to ride with
anybody interested.  I'm still a newbie, but a very
eager one...Right now I'm training for the MS
150..sitting here at work, fiending for my bike.  I
just bought a Giant OCR 3, that was the best I could
find in my price range, but I haven't even been able
to ride it yet....maybe I'll have ta call in sick....

Leslie

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From: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 4:36 AM
To: 
Cc: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re: [WCDL] Arizona

I'd be interested.  I live in Massachusetts, about 50 miles SW of Boston
(right on the Rhode Island border).  Tons of great New England riding
nearby - rocky, rooty, twisty, technical singletrack!  :-)

Jen

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From: Kucharski, Lisa 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:30 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: RE: [WCDL] Arizona

I'd be interested in being on a list.  I live in the Chicago area where
there are some trails but a lot of road biking.  Having a lot of trouble
finding riding buddies some due to time conflicts but most of the riders are
guys and it would be nice to meet some women who ride and also do centuries
as well as races like triathlons etc...

Lisa

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From: Kim Freeman 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:05 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: RE: [WCDL] Arizona

A list is a great idea.  I am in Northern New Jersey...weather permitting it
would be fun to meet new people to ride with!

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From: Angie 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:09 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re: [WCDL] Arizona

Well Once I get my website up and running I will just add a link to it and
have people's names on a list..that way if someone in the area wants to ride
or visit and ride they can contact that person....

I will start adding people into my file for the time being.

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From: Bridgett Backer 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:51 PM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: [WCDL] the list...

Count me in!  I live in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I have ridden with a couple
of groups here in town, but because of my work schedule it is hard to meet
up with anyone.  If anyone is from this area let me know.  I like to ride in
the evenings when it is cool.  It is to stinkin' hot during the day!

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From: Julie Wagner 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:07 PM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: RE: [WCDL] the list...

Me too.  I'm in Los Angeles.  Ride the Santa Monica Mountains with my
boyfriend and by myself, but haven't found any women to ride with!  Just
started in February, but I'm doing 23 mile rides twice a week....Plus I have
a jumper (horse) and ride him three times a week.

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From: Ava Azores 
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:00 PM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: [WCDL] 40+ rider

Hello there,

I'm 45 this year and have been fairly active until about 8 months ago when
joint pain set in and slowed me down.  Yes, the mid life crises are here
with life, work, divorce, children, body changes, and I usually swim, walk,
run and road ride to counter the negative effects.  The riding specially
made me feel the best and now I would do well to make it out there once a
month for a 5 mile ride.  I need the strength and motivation I hope to find
in this list.  I find it sooooo hard to get started back.  Is cycling good
for people with arthritis?

I look forward to reading about your experiences and support.  I wanna do a
mini tri again!

Ava

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From: Scooter 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 5:39 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: RE: [WCDL] the list...

Hello, ladies -

Here's perhaps a dumb question?  Does everyone on here ride a mountain bike?

I just got a recumbent for my birthday and after two weeks am doing 23 miles
a ride....after being sedentary for 20 or so years, I think I'm doing OK!

I'm in Cincinnati.

Karen

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From: Kim Freeman [
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 6:08 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: RE: [WCDL] the list...

I have both road and mountain, but prefer mountain...(no cars)

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From: Leslie 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 7:28 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: RE: [WCDL] the list...

Hi Karen,

I'm on a road bike.  My, those bents look really cool.
Is it harder or easier to ride than the traditional
bike?

Leslie

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From: Robin A. Harrison 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 8:08 AM
To: Scooter
Cc: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re[2]: [WCDL] the list...

Hi Karen,

I keep an extra wheel set with mountain tires for my bike, but the
road tires see a lot more use. I'd categorize myself as a touring
cyclist, roads preferred. :)

Recumbents are pretty cool - I've been seriously considering a tandem
'bent to get my daughter (age 12) to ride with me more.

I'm in Durham, NC, but have a work trip to the Cincy area (just over
the line in Indiana) scheduled tentatively for August 10-13. Drop me a
private email if you'd like to get out for a
spin together!

Robin

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From: Carol Bronson 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:45 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: RE: [WCDL] Arizona

I like the idea of a list, good to have for vacations!  I live in AR, just
outside Little Rock. I would like to have other women to ride with, my
husband rides to fast for me.  Have a road bike, might get a mountain bike
when I get out of school.
Carol

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From: Donald Bechard 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:50 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re: [WCDL] 40+ rider

Ava, I never rode a bike in my life until last October, at the age of 54
years, my husband bought me a rode bike.  I live by a 27 mi paved trail and
started to ride daily.  Boy, it was unbelievably tough for the first
month---thought I would die.  Everyone passed me, and I hurt (my knees
especially).  But, nothing can get the better of me and I kept riding and
enjoying freedom more every ride.
However, my knees did get the better of me, and my doctor said over-use.
Appointment with a professional bike fitter saved my life.  All the pain and
difficulty was not me----my bike was way too wrong for me.  I purchased a
Terry Symmtery and have been flying since May.  I fly.  Every day, I fly.
Now my husband bikes to work, we have purchased a tandem for the weekends,
and I am now seriously considering track racing.
All due to the desire to just "bicycle" down the trail, for a little
exercise and freedom!
Sheril
Kenmore, Wa (sub of Seattle)

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From: Colleen Fishback 
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 11:15 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re: [WCDL] 40+ rider

I started at age 45.  Menopause hit me hard and I didn't want to give in.
For me joint pain was part of the early process of "the change:"  It's
mostly behind me now.  I started with a Terry Symetry and upgraded to a
custom built Serrota Legend Ti this spring.   I remember my first 50 mile
bike ride!  I was so surprised at myself.  I knock off  centuries each
weekend now with about 8k of climbing.  No big deal .... AND I just did the
DEATHRIDE.  For those of you who don't know this is an endurance event in
the Sierras.  129 miles, 16k of climbing in one day.   5 mountain passes.  I
felt great afterwards.  BTW:   I turned 50 last April.   I think cycling is
the best thing for women our age who are not ready to join the porch
sitters.

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From: Donald Bechard 
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 1:03 PM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re: [WCDL] 40+ rider

Colleen,

I would be most appreciative if you could give me some of your wisdom
regarding your selection of the Serrota Legend Ti bike for yourself.  How
big are you?  Which size Terry did you have?  Where do you live?

I am the market now to upgrade to a custom or try the Terry Isis or Titantia
custom.  I am divided as to which way to go?

Sheril

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From: SammysJazz1@aol.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 2:50 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re: [WCDL] Arizona

Hi,

Just got back from the cottage in Ontario and opened my e-mail. Excuse me
while I digress here.  A list? Sounds like a plan. I could use it when I go
back to the states to visit family and friends. Since, I doubt any of you
ladies will be dropping by in my neck of the woods up here unless you are on
your way to see the Polar Bears in Churchill, MB. which is a few hundred
miles from where I am living now. (LOL-laughing)  I just moved up here a
year
ago. I know the most of the trails in New Jersey & Florida but not to many
here yet.  It is really hard finding women to ride with here.

I also see we have a few people from NJ and Florida. Hey, where were you
when
I was living in NJ and Florida trying to start a women's MTB club? Just
kidding; gee, what luck. So, Angie, you are starting a web site? Great! I
can
hardly wait until your up & running. Have you by chance looked in to a live
women's cycling Internet forum?  Not to complain, but I seem to be getting
tons of duplicate e-mail from this forum and it is a bit overwhelming and
confusing to me. I know a live Internet forum is possible through AOL and
other Internet sites that have this forum. Instant messenger is free in
Canada and the USA and from what I understand anyone can hook up live with
this. It might not be a bad idea on occassion if there is an interest.

Sammy aka Samantha

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From: Dulcy Misotti 
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 6:24 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: [WCDL] "Biker Chick" and Dirt Camp

Hello everyone!  I am a mtb and road rider from Fort Lauderdale, FL.  I am
sure everyone is thinking- mtb in Florida?  It's not as fun as riding on
real mountain trails but we have some parks that have built trails so you
can experience it a little bit.  Anyway,  I have 2 questions:
1-I am looking for this ballcap from Precaryous clothing company.  It says
"Biker Chick" and has an embroidered yellow baby chicken sitting on a
bicycle seat on the front.  I of course waited too long and now I can't find
it.  Has anyone seen it at their local bike shop or seen it on-line?  I
would really like to have this hat.  I used to have the sides of my head
shaved but now I am letting it grow out and it is at a very bad length now.
I NEED a hat to cover it up!  Argh!
2-I am going to attend a women only Dirt Camp in Moab, Utah in the beginning
of October.  It teaches you mtb skills and how to be more confident with
your bike.  Has anyone ever attended this or does anyone know anything about
it?  Please let me know.
Thanks for reading.  Happy riding to everyone!  Dulcy Misotti

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From: JennyDahlen@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 12:56 PM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: [WCDL] Buying my first bike

Hi.
I'm new here and new to cycling in general.  I am looking into buying my
first bike.  I rented a Gary Fisher Hoo Koo E Doo the other day and loved
it.
 However, I don't know much about other types of bikes and other brands.  I
am willing to spend up to about $850 on a bike.  I want a cross between a
mountain and road bike.  I'm  looking for a bike that I can ride on pavement
and off road as well.  But also a bike that I can just get around in.  In
other words, an all purpose bike that I can use for fitness purposes as
well.

I would greatly appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks.

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From: The Fetters 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 9:30 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re: [WCDL] "Biker Chick" and Dirt Camp

Dulcy,
I went to a similar clinic in Big Bear, CA, and it was awesome!  We had
instruction from 2 time world champion downhiller Tammy Williamson, it was a
fantastic weekend of technical and mechanical info.
Moab is epic, enjoy the trip!
Heather

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From: Ninowtzka Mier 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 9:41 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re: [WCDL] "Biker Chick" and Dirt Camp

Hey Dulcy,
I also ride in Miami / Ft. Lauderdale! I ride all our
parks - Oleta, Markham, Quiet Waters. Where do you
ride?

Also, how did you hear about this camp in Moab??

Ninowtzka

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From: Julie Wagner 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 9:49 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: RE: [WCDL] "Biker Chick" and Dirt Camp

I don't ride in Florida (Los Angeles, girl) but I saw some precarious stuff
at nashbar.com and performance.com. Not
sure about the hat, but I did see the biker chick jersey. I would also love
to
find out more about the clinic you are doing in Moab. Can you send me some
info? Or let me know where to get it?

Thanks

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From: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 4:39 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: Re: [WCDL] 40+ rider

I'm 46 and I've had lupus for seven years.  Yes, riding is excellent for
people with arthritis because it doesn't jar your joints.  It strengthens
the
muscles surrounding the joint.

A word of caution - if you're just starting out again - don't try to push
big
gears at first.  The strain will be felt in your lower back and knees.  Just
spin & get your body used to the motion again.

One sympton of lupus is crushing fatigue.  I find that when I get out & ride
- even if for just a little bit - it really helps.  You'd think that
physical
activity would make you more tired but it is just the opposite.

Good luck

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From: Dulcy Misotti 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:18 AM
To: womens-cycling@teamestrogen.com
Subject: [WCDL] mtb camps

I have compiled  a list of all the websites that I found in my search for
mountain bike camps.  I got a couple from Oxygen(woman's weight lifting-not
Oprah's) magazine, July '01 issue.  The only problem is a lot of them have
already happened and you would have to wait until spring to go.  Some are
still offering classes up until November though.  ok here is the list:

These are all the ones I have found.  Some obviously look better than
others.  I am going to the Dirt Camp one,  but I was also interested in the
Spokeswomen one though timing did not work out.  The Spokeswomen one was the
one the Oxygen mag person attended and did a daily journal on.  The only
drawback is that they can be rather pricey,  but just call it your vacation
and it seems better.  I don't know though.  Just weigh the options- cruise
and suntan or riding and bruises-  I think I'll still take the bruises- I
get a suntan when I am riding.  Best of both worlds.  Hope this helps!
Happy riding!   Dulcy